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Michael Chapman
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1953 sounds right. Here is the page pommreg references. (Sorry, meant 1953 in original post)
http://potteries.mmoc.org.uk/Identification.htm
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-10 09:05 AM by bufferzone.
http://potteries.mmoc.org.uk/Identification.htm
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-10 09:05 AM by bufferzone.
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May 9, 2018 01:04 AM
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I say old chap,
Pohm refers to undesirables
newly arrived in Australia
coz we didn't want 'em any more.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-09 01:07 AM by 0123.
Pohm refers to undesirables
newly arrived in Australia
coz we didn't want 'em any more.
"Prisoner Of Her Majesty's
Another explanation – now generally considered to be a false etymology – was that "Pom" or "Pommy" were derived from an acronym such as POM ("Prisoner of Millbank"
, POME ("Prisoner of Mother England"
or POHMS ("Prisoner Of Her Majesty's Service"
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Glossary of names for the British - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_names_for_the_British"
Another explanation – now generally considered to be a false etymology – was that "Pom" or "Pommy" were derived from an acronym such as POM ("Prisoner of Millbank"
, POME ("Prisoner of Mother England"
or POHMS ("Prisoner Of Her Majesty's Service"
.
Glossary of names for the British - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_names_for_the_British"
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pixelsmithusa
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...Also came across this...
Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie" ) is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive) slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, or a Brit in general. The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."
This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant"
it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant."
Gerard
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Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie" ) is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive) slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, or a Brit in general. The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."
This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant"
it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant."Gerard
http://gerardsgarage.com/
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In reply to # 29996 by pixelsmithusa
...Also came across this...
Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie" ) is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive
slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, or a Brit in general. The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative Ditto sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."
This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His I don't know who wrote this twaddle; the H refers to Queen Victoria Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to One of our penal colonies. Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant"
it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant." They were convicts not immigrants
Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie" ) is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive
Go tell that to the 7th Armoured Gerard

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slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, or a Brit in general. The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative Ditto sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."
There's a long history of such acronym's Gerard
WOGs - Worker on Government Service
WOPs - Western Operations Prisoners
HMS - Her / His Majesties Ship
IR - Inland Revenue
WOGs - Worker on Government Service
WOPs - Western Operations Prisoners
HMS - Her / His Majesties Ship
This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His I don't know who wrote this twaddle; the H refers to Queen Victoria Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to One of our penal colonies. Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant"
it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant." They were convicts not immigrants
POMMReg stands for Post Office Morris Minor Register, both vans & saloons
Founded in 1986 owing to all other "Clubs" regarding them as the most undesirable Minor varient, later progressing to ALL Minor commercial's as much of the production & spec information quoted in books is utter rubbish.
Admittedly I AM rather abrupt at times, but this is mainly due to the frustration of enthusiasts' indifference & refusal to disclose "numbers" which therefore hinders research.
Et al
Desmond Rabbithutch esq
Founded in 1986 owing to all other "Clubs" regarding them as the most undesirable Minor varient, later progressing to ALL Minor commercial's as much of the production & spec information quoted in books is utter rubbish.
Admittedly I AM rather abrupt at times, but this is mainly due to the frustration of enthusiasts' indifference & refusal to disclose "numbers" which therefore hinders research.
Et al
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May 9, 2018 11:52 AM
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Now that we know the origins of POMMreg, hopefully you can shed some light on another post, the one about identifying a swivel. We have yet to see an image of the one in question but the subject has drifted to the difference between most Minor swivels and the 8CWT swivel. Is the casting actually different or is it just different machining? If the casting is different, what exactly is different. What are the differences in the steering arm?
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In reply to # 30007 by POMMReg
POMMReg stands for Post Office Morris Minor Register, both vans & saloons
Founded in 1986 owing to all other "Clubs" regarding them as the most undesirable Minor varient, later progressing to ALL Minor commercial's as much of the production & spec information quoted in books is utter rubbish.
Admittedly I AM rather abrupt at times, Us takes it us stride Matey
but this is mainly due to the frustration of enthusiasts' indifference & refusal to disclose "numbers" which therefore hinders research.
Et al
Desmond Rabbithutch esq
Founded in 1986 owing to all other "Clubs" regarding them as the most undesirable Minor varient, later progressing to ALL Minor commercial's as much of the production & spec information quoted in books is utter rubbish.
Admittedly I AM rather abrupt at times, Us takes it us stride Matey
but this is mainly due to the frustration of enthusiasts' indifference & refusal to disclose "numbers" which therefore hinders research.
Et al
Desmond Rabbithutch esq
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May 9, 2018 08:25 PM
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Chris, although it would make sense for various parts of the swivel to be heftier, I have not been able to find any indication of anything being different than a larger tapered hole for the larger steering arm, which is just a matter of a different machining. Of course, the rough hole in the casting may be larger thus making the casting number different even though all of the other features are the same. It's unlikely there were any over here in the States so the chance of seeing one is slim.
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May 10, 2018 07:45 AM
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Yes, a forging would be better quality and more appropriate. Post machining would still be required for the threads and the keyed, tapered hole. Right and left could be same forgings.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-05-10 07:47 AM by emjay.
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