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aussiemorris Michael Chapman
Adelaide, south australia, Australia   AUS
Can anyone help me with this compliance plate of my morry.. i think its a 1953 model

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POMMReg Chris Stevens
Gloucester, Gloucester, UK   GBR
Hi

First part is the Cowley vin, 2nd is the Oz CKD vin = how many to date.

Don't have records to hand, check the potteries site & add around c10mths for its assembly date.

APHM engine is 803cc S11. USHM is MM.

Hope this helps

POMMReg Chris Stevens
Gloucester, Gloucester, UK   GBR
Plate looks newer(?)

The 2nd(Oz number) should be stamped nearby into the b/head.

Engines started at 101, so on the face of it, an early S11.

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bufferzone Gord Smith-Ritchie
Surfside Colony, CA, USA   USA
1953 sounds right. Here is the page pommreg references. (Sorry, meant 1953 in original post)

http://potteries.mmoc.org.uk/Identification.htm



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0123 Mike D
Biddulph, Staffs, UK   GBR
I say old chap,
Pohm refers to undesirables
newly arrived in Australia
coz we didn't want 'em any more.

"Prisoner Of Her Majesty's

Another explanation – now generally considered to be a false etymology – was that "Pom" or "Pommy" were derived from an acronym such as POM ("Prisoner of Millbank"winking smiley, POME ("Prisoner of Mother England"winking smiley or POHMS ("Prisoner Of Her Majesty's Service
"winking smiley.

Glossary of names for the British - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_names_for_the_British";



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...Also came across this...

Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie" ) is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive) slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, or a Brit in general. The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."

This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant"winking smiley it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant."




Gerard

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0123 Mike D
Biddulph, Staffs, UK   GBR
In reply to # 29996 by pixelsmithusa ...Also came across this...

Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie" ) is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive

Go tell that to the 7th Armoured Gerard

smiling smiley
)

slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, or a Brit in general. The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative Ditto sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."

There's a long history of such acronym's Gerard

WOGs - Worker on Government Service
WOPs - Western Operations Prisoners
HMS - Her / His Majesties Ship
IR - Inland Revenue


This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His I don't know who wrote this twaddle; the H refers to Queen Victoria Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to One of our penal colonies. Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant"winking smiley it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant." They were convicts not immigrants

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POMMReg Chris Stevens
Gloucester, Gloucester, UK   GBR
POMMReg stands for Post Office Morris Minor Register, both vans & saloons

Founded in 1986 owing to all other "Clubs" regarding them as the most undesirable Minor varient, later progressing to ALL Minor commercial's as much of the production & spec information quoted in books is utter rubbish.

Admittedly I AM rather abrupt at times, but this is mainly due to the frustration of enthusiasts' indifference & refusal to disclose "numbers" which therefore hinders research.

Et al

Desmond Rabbithutch esq

emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
Now that we know the origins of POMMreg, hopefully you can shed some light on another post, the one about identifying a swivel. We have yet to see an image of the one in question but the subject has drifted to the difference between most Minor swivels and the 8CWT swivel. Is the casting actually different or is it just different machining? If the casting is different, what exactly is different. What are the differences in the steering arm?

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0123 Mike D
Biddulph, Staffs, UK   GBR
In reply to # 30007 by POMMReg POMMReg stands for Post Office Morris Minor Register, both vans & saloons

Founded in 1986 owing to all other "Clubs" regarding them as the most undesirable Minor varient, later progressing to ALL Minor commercial's as much of the production & spec information quoted in books is utter rubbish.

Admittedly I AM rather abrupt at times, Us takes it us stride Matey smiling smiley but this is mainly due to the frustration of enthusiasts' indifference & refusal to disclose "numbers" which therefore hinders research.

Et al

Desmond Rabbithutch esq

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POMMReg Chris Stevens
Gloucester, Gloucester, UK   GBR
Different casting & Part nos, anyone have an AKD 3574 - one mentioning 327368 to hand?

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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
Chris, although it would make sense for various parts of the swivel to be heftier, I have not been able to find any indication of anything being different than a larger tapered hole for the larger steering arm, which is just a matter of a different machining. Of course, the rough hole in the casting may be larger thus making the casting number different even though all of the other features are the same. It's unlikely there were any over here in the States so the chance of seeing one is slim.

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0123 Mike D
Biddulph, Staffs, UK   GBR
If think they were drop forgings Jim thumbs up

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0123 Mike D
Biddulph, Staffs, UK   GBR
Is this any help please Chris smiling smiley

http://www.spridgetguru.com/AKD3574/MK.html

In reply to # 30014 by POMMReg Different casting & Part nos, anyone have an AKD 3574 - one mentioning 327368 to hand?

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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
Yes, a forging would be better quality and more appropriate. Post machining would still be required for the threads and the keyed, tapered hole. Right and left could be same forgings.



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