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Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
WANTED

Right side four door locking door handle with a FS 924 or FS 952 key code.

I am trying to match my my other locks

Also interested in vintage accessories like a Flat tire trolley, Locking gas cap, E brake lock, etc.

Thanks for your time and help,

Vigil
California



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2017-08-04 02:57 PM by Vigil.

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Dukecati Randy Riggs
Novato, CA, USA   USA
That's a tough one. I've been looking for one for 20 years for my van, which used the same door and handle as the 4-door. Mine works, but the lock is bad.

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bufferzone Gord Smith-Ritchie
Surfside Colony, California, USA   USA
GGJones might have it, or this place might

https://www.minormagic.com.au/door-handle-assembly-new-rhf-to-suit-4-door-van-ute-includes-2-keys

They also have replacement barrels. Australian so big $$$$$

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Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
Have you ever looked at any of the LCV - four door handles?
If you have do you know what is involved to remove the tumbler?
I have looked at several i could not see how it is done.
The lock guy i talked to said he would have to try to pull the cover where the key enters.
He was not sure he could do it with out damage.
That that was the only way to get to the tumbler.
That is the reason i did not try to change or re-key the lock..
I did write to several of the vendors looking for the same key numbers

I live in Huntington and have seen your Traveler while visiting friends in the colony.
They have a gathering in the Belmont shore pier parking lot the first Wednesday of the month at 6 pm.
The parking is free and so is the gathering.
Some go to the.Belmont shore brewery for food and drinks later.

VIGIL



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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
Once you have the chrome handle separate from the assembly, look for a small pin. It may be flush to the surface. Like all the locks, this pin retains the cylinder in the groove near the rear of the cylinder. On the back of the cylinder there is a cam that works the square locking bolt. The pin should be about a quarter inch in front of the edge of the square bolt. Drive the pin out and the cylinder can be removed. It's possible that the key needs to be in in order for it to slide freely, but you should be able to work it out if you don't have the key. Many of the locations if not all use the same cylinder. I do know boot handles are a source of a compatible cylinder.

Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
Jim,

The commercial handle i can not find a pin.
My tourer was complacently different in many ways and did have a pin.
I actually got it out and changed the tumbler.
I was hoping to have my new left side locker either re keyed or swap the cylinder.
If you have a commercial handle look at it and please tell me where the pin is located -
After Looking at it may be easier to change the other locks to match.
I need to get a key or do some thing for the right side.
The way i lock it now is i have a cable lock through the dash/glove box and door.
I started writing the vendors to see if any one has the two codes i need.
If i match one the doors will be the same.
If i match the other code i will have all but one door the same.
At least it is less keys either way.

Left side locking handles

I was talking to a friend who work for Morris in the 1960's.
He said the reason they put the left side locking handles in four door was for the USA market.
They thought they could sell more cars if people could open and lock the drivers door.
He said this all took place around 1963 when the did the other changes to the vehicles.
I asked if he knew if it was a special order item or did they all have them..
That i had not seen any this side of the pond.
His reply was they sold very few in the USA so the marketing was a flop.
He was not sure how many were actually shipped to us that had the handles..
There were not to many of the four doors sold from 1960- the end in the USA overall..
Most Americans were into the large vehicles or sports cars.

Have you heard this before?
I am not sure if it is true or not but it sounds about right.

Vigil



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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
Vigil, that is what I found in the parts books. Early in the 1098s if not all had a left locking handle for export only. It would appear they didn't know how to have combined inside and outside locking on the same door at least without drastically changing the design. His comment about improving sales is odd since some source indicated there were no official USA Minors after 62 except for 67, but Canada and Europe have LHD. Surely the trucks also got the lock. During John Quilter's search and yours I find it odd that know piped up and said their sixty something four door or truck had a locking left handle. Were they sworn to secrecy?

I don't think I have any loose short door handles, but the pin is there. There is no other way to retain the lock. Being a cast part there can not be any internal cavities in which a locking tine can engage without having an external hole for a core to form it. The small pin is the technique they used. Keep looking for it. The hole will go all the way through. They could have been nasty and made it a blind hole but they knew it had to be removable.

Can you post photos of the loose chrome handle around the axis of the cylinder?

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Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
Jim,

When did they put the 1098 in the car?
Wasn't around 1963?
I may have misquoted him.
He may have said the left hand market.
There was not many ordered even before 1963.

On replacing the tumbler.
Bruce looked at his left hand locker and did not see a way to remove the tumbler.
Bruce took his to his lock guy and was told the same thing as me.
He would have to pull the top cap and did not think he could do it with out damaging it.

Gram in Scotland said that you pin handle in front so it disables the handle on the inside.
I think you or John had said the same thing.
But as you say that does not let you look both ways like most vehicles.

I find that strange they could not make it happen.
Ihe MG of the same years has one that works both ways.
I realize it is a completely different locking system.
You would think it would not be that hard.
Do you happen to know where the number 60 came from as far as four door or truck had a locking left handles?
The guy i talked to was in administration so he may not have all the facts.
I looked for information on the left side locking handle and could not find any thing on the subject until i met ths guy.
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VIGIL



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http://morrisminor.intuitwebsites.com/

Morris Motors group on Yahoo
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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
I also use 63 as the introduction of the 1098 but it could have been part of 62. Here in the States they were selling so slowly at this time that many 62 title cars are 948, so it's safer to assume a 63 is a 1098. These early 1098s are called the transition models because they look very much like the Series III without glove box doors but numerous changed occurred during the period such as the bigger side and tail lamps, parallel wipers, locking left doors. If you look at a 2 door latch, you could see they had originally planned to make both side the same, so this change was easy but did require a change in the door skin, but the internal and external locks work the same mechanism but some modification was still needed internally. Of course the big question is why did they felt it was necessary to use a different latch on the four doors. The issue was space. To get the biggest door and the biggest window, there is very little bulge aft of the window frames as compared to the 2 doors. They needed a very slim latch assembly and it was used on the rear door as well.

I'm getting the impression there is a terminology difference we are using. The pin I'm talking about retains the entire lock cylinder. The cast part that is rotated by the key and has an eccentric pin that works the square locking bolt. I think now you already have that out and is looking for a way to remove the brass tumblers and springs. It's been a while since I had one of those in my hand. I'll look for one tonight, but it is possible that the stainless cover has to come off.

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Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
I think we are on the same page..
You are correct that i have heard the change actually was made mid 1962
I use 1963 for the sake of conversation because that is when most people noticed them.
The four door lock i also could not find a code on the handle assembly.
If i remember correctly there was one on my tourer door lock.

Some of the four door features are diving me nuts....

I have written to several vendors that have right hand handles listed.
None of the have them is stock so far so it may be tough to get a match.

VIGIL



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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
I gave you the vin numbers when the left lockers were introduced in the previous post. It was close to 104000 which puts it clearly in 1098 era. The key number is stamped on the stainless cap for the ignition. They must have been reluctant to stamp it on the exterior locks for those thieves that carry a key maker with them.

Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
Jim,

Sorry i am blind in one eye and can;t see out of the other at times.
I did go back and did not find the vin information till this last post.
To tell you the truth i am not up on production numbers and there relation to changes.

I probably should have been a little more clear about the code number.

On my tourer when pulled the lock out of the door the code was on the lock.
The code could not be seen from the outside.
I had the handle out of the door when i noticed the code stamp.
At least i think it was my Morris i could be confusing car handles from another vehicle.

The two handles i have from the van/four door i can not find a code on them any where.

VIGIL.
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emjay Jim English
Marietta, PA, USA   USA
This image shows the retaining pin for the cylinder to the handle.

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The cylinder on the right (below link) is what the door and boot cylinders look like. It looks like the stainless cover could be uncrimped carefully, but a locksmith should have replacements. Perhaps modern locksmiths simply change cylinders to change locks. At one time they probably took them all apart and move the pieces around to make a different code.
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Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
I noticed in the first picture there is a flipper to lock in the door from the inside.
My door has no provision for the flipper - no hole
So i am guessing that is a different series.

My tourer had that set up with the flipper.

I can kind of see a hole in the picture.
I can kinda see part of the hole in my handle.

Thank You

The pictures helped a lot.

VIGIL



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Vigil Craig Vigil
Fountain Valley, Southern California, USA   USA
Jim,

I just sent the information to the parts connoisseur at Morris Garage.
Bruce will really like getting the information as i did.
He just got a left hand locking handle a month before me.

Vigil



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